Help...I'm really starting to hate this

Switch to Intel hardware, or install a realos like WinNT or Linux

Yeah, seriously....Did you download all the necessary patches and updates and fixes to use your AMD chip? Also, from what I've seen, the mobos available for those chips suck hind tit BIG time. <BR>Too bad though, good luck.

xwred has it all wrong:<P>switch to PPC hardware, and install user-friendly OS MacOS 9.<P>Try it; you'll never go back.

BottleRocket<P>That would be nice if Half-Life existed on the Mac...<P>Whoops yet another great game Mac people will never see on their platform<P>

NeoWolf:<P>Assuming your system was stable beforehand, you may have hit a hardware problem. You'll want to test your RAM and use DOS a bit to make sure your CPU / motherboard combination are working alright. You might also test booting in VGA mode to see if your video drivers are busted.<P>K6-2's motherboards with VIA chipsets are also notoriously unreliable in Windows. Make sure you have the latest patches and VIA drivers for everything.

Wait 'till X, Evil, wait 'till X.....

Ahh... the Apple zealot's rallying call. "BUT JUST WAIT FOR THE NEXT BIG THING."<P>You fail to understand that other things are better NOW.

apple war???<P>Apple makes _great_ computers and Operating Systems.<P>Try it; you'll never go back.

RR, you amuse me still.<BR>He stated that he doesn't have the money to just go out and buy a mac (like most of us here.)<BR>That and Half-life doesn't exist on Mac.<P>NeoWolf lives close to me and knows all about macs from seeing and using my machine.<BR>Ok RR, will that do for now? Go away.

NeoWolf:<P>First of all, if you wanted to avoid the Apple zealots, you probably shouldn't have posted your article in the Battlefront.<P>Now, if you computer _really_ was stable for a significant length of time, and you're within warranty, you may want to get some help from your vendor or manufacturer, since you don't sound like you have a lot of experience troubleshooting computers (no offense intended, just being realistic).<P>As for how to test hardware in DOS, there are memory test programs out there on the web, if you search for them. I usually write my own when I install a new DIMM or whatever, but you probably don't have access to a compiler and DOS memory management is a bit tricky. Search the web or the usual shareware sites.<P>To test your motherboard and CPU, just play some DOS games that you might have around and see if they remain stable. Lastly, my video card comment was just grasping at straws. It sound like your problem may be hardware related. Have you tried opening your computer, blowing out the dust and reseating your DIMM's and PCI cards?

RiscRocket:<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Apple makes _great_ computers and Operating Systems.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Great computers? Not really.<P>And great operating systems? Yeah, like, uh... and that other one, uh...

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>That would be nice if Half-Life existed on the Mac...<P>Whoops yet another great game Mac people will never see on their platform<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I don't think Half-Life is that great... <P>Jonah

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I don't think Half-Life is that great... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Ahh, but we don't <B>care</B> what you think, now do we?<P>NeoWolf, please list the specs for your sys. You also may want to try to update your BIOS and install from scratch (or just erase the \windows dir and install again with Win98).<P>If you legally own Win98 and have access to SE, use SE instead. It contains a lot of bug fixes for the VIA (M)VPx chipsets.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR><BR>Apple makes _great_ computers and Operating Systems.<P>Try it; you'll never go back.<P><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>sorry saw this and had to comment. between the 2 i started on the mac and was *very* (blindly) supportive of the mac. then i started playing games on a dos/win machine and started doing other things .. and before you knew it i had seen the light and converted. i still like alot of the hardware (minus the gaudy fruit cases) but the current os leaves ALOT to be desired for the way i operate. osx is so far looking pretty decent though<P>on to nightwolf (i think?)<BR>(i think imarshal brought this up originally?) if this started suddenly i am leaning towards it being a ram problem. if you have a friend with a similar system see if you can swap out his ram for yours to see if his goes crazy and to the same with his ram and your machine to see if your machine runs ok. unfortunately with a computer it might be alot of things even things you thought would have a completely different effect. (if you didnt follow that then dont worry as when morning comes i probably wont either View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif )<P>one other think you might check is be sure that your cpu fan is spinning fast enough... i had a fan go out quietly once and the chip overheated a bit which caused some interesting results. the fan was still spinning but when i compared it to a new fan (identical) it wasnt going at near the speed.

- Strip the box down to base hardware: CPU, one stick of RAM, vid card, HD. Rip out EVERYTHING else - sound, modem, 3D card, you name it, take it out.<P>- Install Win98, preferably SE (SE fixed a lot of bugs in the Explorer shell).<P>- Install the latest VIA 4-in-1 drivers.<P>- Stable? If not, replace RAM with another stick.<P>- Stable? If not, remove CPU fan and place 20" box fan, on medium, alongside the case, facing in.<P>- Stable? If not. replace power supply.<P>- Stable? If not, UNDERCLOCK motherboard - 50Mhz is a good place to set the FSB to start with.<P>- Stable? If not, replace vid card/motherboard. <P>You're looking for the part that makes things go bonkers. If at any point you reach stability, start adding back in the other parts, starting with the rest of your system memory. Run your box for a few hours with the Unreal flyby looping. Reboot. Do it again. Only then add another part. Stop when you find the bad part.<P>I've had a flakey power suply cause problems. <P>I've had a DIMM who's PCB was just a wee bit too long cause problems. <P>I've had a motherboard who's AGP slot was out of whack and would only run my AGP card at 50Mhz - 66 killed the AGP interface. <P>I've had heat problems with my STOCK, non-OCed Athlon. <P>I've had drivers which would hose Win95/98 and give me that infamous "Windows Protection Error" - latest one was DirectCD - apparently, AMD's Irongate and DirectCD don't get along.<P>It's a matter of trial and error, but when in doubt, take it down to the base components and work your way up piece by piece.<P>Oh, and Super7 chipsets generally blow, especially if you've got an AGP vid card. Try for a PCI one for testing purposes.<P>Just my $0.02<P>[This message has been edited by IceStorm (edited January 07, 2000).]<P>[This message has been edited by IceStorm (edited January 07, 2000).]

jonah,<P>You might not think it was great, but the rest of the game playing world does, as it has the highest rating of any game since Civilization, in fact some mags and web pages rate it even higher.

Ha! I started on a PC, but when I discovered the MacOS I was hooked!<P>OS8.6 and OS9 are terrific operating systems.

No MacOS 8 and 9 are dead OS's.<P>As they are gone next year...<P>Notice RiscRocket has gone into drool mode lately: Care to back up those words with proof? Nah, just spew crap out of your pie hole.<P>Sounds like brainwashed crap to me:<P>"THE MAC OS IS A GOOD OS"<P><BR>Say that a few times and you can be just like RiscRocket<BR>

As for taking the WAR somewhere else...ummm, this is BATTLEFRONT, after all. Wheeeere we suppooosed to take it heeere, hmmm?<BR>RiscRocket, come on, man, I know there's a reasonable person in there somewhere. (?) <BR>Chanting, chanting....Give it a break, will ya? I have seen plenty of problems with Mac hardware. Also, though this thread has nothing to do with the OS you keep harping on it.<BR>Now, if you'll all excuse me, I'm on my way out the door to go get..Half Life!!!!<BR>hehe.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>jonah,<BR>You might not think it was great, but the rest of the game playing world does, as it has the highest rating of any game since Civilization, in fact some mags and web pages rate it even higher.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I used to play a lot of Civ, and until about 6 months ago occasionally played some Civ2 every now and then. That said, no way HL is better than either Civ, but especially Civ2.<P>And total: do you know what this is ""??? That means that I am smiling. You know, being humorous, kidding or joking? Laughing at myself? Maybe you don't know... *that's* the problem...<P>Jonah<BR>

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>And total: do you know what this is ""??? That means that I am smiling. You know, being humorous, kidding or joking? Laughing at myself? Maybe you don't know... *that's* the problem...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>resteves!!!! Oh, I've been soooo lonely since you've been gone all those weeks! There's noone here in the Battlefront that can argue like you can! I just can't get the same satisfaction with anyone else but you. It's so good to have you back!<P> View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif View image: /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<P> View image: http://forum.arstechnica.com/forum/ubb/tongue.gif

RiscRocket, thank you for a completely useless answer.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR><BR>OS8.6 and OS9 are terrific operating systems<BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>so this is why apple is abandoning this style of os in favor of a different one eh?<P>not even SJ believes os8.x and os9 are terrific operating systems